DocAElstein
05-01-2019, 04:49 PM
Notes to be edited later
Obtaining and Maintaining a stable Excel. Operating System Considerations
An older Operating System and Microsoft Office from around 2003-2010 can be a good stable solution for limited use of Excel, such as for your own use with minimum sharing.
Security / Virus issues
Relying on updates for security issues is probably not a good idea, ( http://www.excelfox.com/forum/showthread.php/2336-Excel-and-XP-Operating-System-Tests-(proc-entry-pt-quot-GetDataFormEX-quot-not-found-in-the-DLL-quot-KERNEL32)?p=11160&viewfull=1#post11160)
Buying a good virus protection can be one option.
A fairly simple sounding alternative option would be to do the common sense approach of once in a while "wiping the slate clean".
In other words, …_
_ keep most of your personal data, and as much as technically possible of everything else, on external hard drives, USB sticks, etc. , so as to minimise what is stored on the computer's internal hard drive, and
_ keep back ups of everything, including the Operating system itself.
_ _... So then once in a while you can re install the operating system and other basic software on your computer.
Re installing an Operating system may not be as simple as it may be suggested
Many experienced professionals recommend this. They present this as the common sense simple approach to clear out any unwanted clutter on your computer, both the usual build up that seems to always occur, as well as any bad things such as viruses etc. , that may have crept in without your knowledge.
I am sceptic, if so many professionals actually do it, at least in recent years…
It appears that in the practice, doing such a wipe clean, is becoming more and more difficult. There are many small problems that seem to occur, which an experienced professional might sort out by instinct , hardly noticing that he does it. For an average user, these problems may not be solvable.
In addition, newer computers are becoming like many consumer projects: The manufacturer tries to make them last a few years. Replacing hardware and re installing software is therefore becoming increasingly difficult.
Instillation disk are rarely supplied in recent years.
It was common practice in early personal computer days to get a full set of Operating system disks with a computer. For some strange reason, many professionals seem to cling on to the belief that this is the case. Possibly in a professional environment there are always somewhere both the disks and expertise to use them, so it is just assumed that nothing has changed.
In actual fact , instillation discs are rarely supplied anymore with new computers, and even if you obtain them, they likely won't work… manufacturers increasingly try to actively hamper the possibility of re installing the operating system.
I don't think it is possible to give clear instructions anymore on how to install an Operating system.
I will present a full example, explaining in detail, and make an attempt to make it as general a solution as possible.
DVD / CD Brennen / Burn / ISO Burn
Most of us will recognise something which might be called a CD DVD or disk, and things like disc drives and process done with them. These things and processes have been widely in use for over 25 years. We refer to them frequently. But for some strange reason hardly anyone really knows or understands them fully. There seem to be a few strange mysteries and secrets. Possibly this is so that things like instillation disks are not too wildly made and distributed.
In simple common uses, sometimes simple copying and using of files from one medium to a CD or DVD disc will work, sometimes it won't. Often this is overlooked. It often is not noticed as different systems may actually do different things when the same software or command is done.
The best I can make out, in the absence of finding anyone in the world who knows for sure, ( it may be impossible for most people to know for sure as commercial secrets are involved:
CD or DVD
This is basically the same physical thing. CD came first and there is generally less flexibility in compatibility in using other things or different manufacturers versions of CD. The DVD came later, making use of improved technology, and at the same time some attempt was made to make certain aspects standard to improve the flexibility and compatibility with other things and different manufacturers DVDs.
So in simple terms, the DVD is likely to be better than a CD or may be needed to make something work which could not on a CD , for example, as DVD will have a large storage capacity , as newer storage media almost always do improve that aspect…
Other technical reason why a DVD must be used instead of a CD may be hidden in the secrets of the processes which may be used for a particular usage.
Burn and Save Variations
I expect what process actually happens is hidden in industrial secrets. What is physically done may vary from one system to another and/or from what software is used, even if at first glance the same process and software appears to be done and used. So I can only make an approximate answer.
Either as a complete simple process, or as an early part of a more full process, some light image producing process , that is to say a process physically not strongly changing physically the disc may give something that some reading devices can read. A more complete full process will possibly use such an image as a sort of template/ schablon / set of instructions to create deeper cutting / etching into the disc. The more full processes can be thought in simple terms as like cutting the final grooves in an old gramophone vinyl record , ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonograph_record ). The more full process will generally be called "Burning"
But there is not always a clear distinction between the simple processes and the full "Burning" processes. Consequently you can never be sure what you have , and how it may or may not be either readable or re writable in different systems. You can even experience different results when using the same software on two different hardware systems which have very similar specifications.
ISO Burn
The commonly referred to process of "ISO Burn" ads another dimension to the confusion and imprecise definitions and explanations of what is going on.
You need to consider what ISO Burn is about in trying to understand , create, and use instillation disks
When something is saved, stored, etc. what actually goes on and the final result may be varied and , at least to some extent, is subject to commercial secrets. Amongst other things, some efficient way of organising "where" things go may be employed. This will vary greatly from one system to another.
For some reason, which once again may have some commercial secrets associated with it, in order to do an instillation, the information need to be organised on the storage media in a specific way.
In my example I will be considering CD/DVD discs. An instillation disc will typically need to be , what could approximately be regarded as a full final disk with the information held in specific "places" on the disk.
The start point in making an instillation disk would be to get a "normal" file which contains all the information required. Such a file has a predetermined form, but can be approximately regarded as a normal file, which "obeys" the normal rules and conventions when being passed around or copied. It can be regarded as a normal data file, or possibly more correctly a number of Files bundled together
ISO File and what to do with it
The file type used for this has conventionally the extension .iso . It seems to be a closely kept secret, or else everyone has forgotten, exactly how that came about and what exactly it means. Very similar to the word ActiveX, frequently used but rarely really clearly defined. It may be tied up with a convention or sets of conventions that started to be kept secret as time went on. It could be that a so called iso disk is a more fundamental all encompassing file which includes some basic instructions determining exactly how and where things are stored, where's part of the similar information on such a fundamental file may already be included (hidden) in a system to determine how that system stores files and data.
So ISO would be some internationally agreed standard. But only in a so called "iso file" would you nave some fundamental information conforming to the convention, but which in most systems you would not have access to.
So to get an iso file is like getting hold of the software to refresh or re install or repair some software in any product to which a large amount of software is present. A typical user can never be sure exactly what is in there. Recently Microsoft have been making available iso files. It is a good guess that they have put something in there they are keen to find its way into someone's computer…
Once you have a file, you need to find some way to use that to make an instillation disc. Un surprisingly, Microsoft have also recently been presenting information to assist in doing this…
Alternatively some software is available. This one has been recommended by Hans, so is very likely a good option:
http://www.eileenslounge.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=25735#p200058
http://download.imgburn.com/SetupImgBurn_2.5.8.0.exe
http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
https://app.box.com/s/gywkah44z366e7gktqzaulj3nq27ac01
Vista ISO File
One good source of an ISO file is sometimes computer magazines.
( Media Fire https://www.drwindows.de/windows-vista-allgemein/8505-hilfe-brauche-vista-dvd-415.html#post1671100
All PC World http://allpcworld.com/windows-vista-iso-free-download-32-bit-64-bit/ )
They are large files and will typically take some time to download.
Vista ISO download.JPG , Vista x86 32bit download.JPG : https://imgur.com/hTRNOEM , https://imgur.com/PIWk5Wu
I downloaded earlier, and re uploaded to a file sharing site:
Windows_Vista_32bit All PC World.iso : https://www.magentacloud.de/lnk/YvMXoyEx
WindowsVista_x86 Media Fire.iso : https://www.magentacloud.de/lnk/IpMXouPy
The files can be saved anywhere.
Working Example of making an installation disc in next post
Ref:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-major-difference-between-a-CD-and-a-DVD
https://ask.metafilter.com/168458/Copy-Windows-Install-Discs-for-Backup
http://www.eileenslounge.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=25735
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA)
Obtaining and Maintaining a stable Excel. Operating System Considerations
An older Operating System and Microsoft Office from around 2003-2010 can be a good stable solution for limited use of Excel, such as for your own use with minimum sharing.
Security / Virus issues
Relying on updates for security issues is probably not a good idea, ( http://www.excelfox.com/forum/showthread.php/2336-Excel-and-XP-Operating-System-Tests-(proc-entry-pt-quot-GetDataFormEX-quot-not-found-in-the-DLL-quot-KERNEL32)?p=11160&viewfull=1#post11160)
Buying a good virus protection can be one option.
A fairly simple sounding alternative option would be to do the common sense approach of once in a while "wiping the slate clean".
In other words, …_
_ keep most of your personal data, and as much as technically possible of everything else, on external hard drives, USB sticks, etc. , so as to minimise what is stored on the computer's internal hard drive, and
_ keep back ups of everything, including the Operating system itself.
_ _... So then once in a while you can re install the operating system and other basic software on your computer.
Re installing an Operating system may not be as simple as it may be suggested
Many experienced professionals recommend this. They present this as the common sense simple approach to clear out any unwanted clutter on your computer, both the usual build up that seems to always occur, as well as any bad things such as viruses etc. , that may have crept in without your knowledge.
I am sceptic, if so many professionals actually do it, at least in recent years…
It appears that in the practice, doing such a wipe clean, is becoming more and more difficult. There are many small problems that seem to occur, which an experienced professional might sort out by instinct , hardly noticing that he does it. For an average user, these problems may not be solvable.
In addition, newer computers are becoming like many consumer projects: The manufacturer tries to make them last a few years. Replacing hardware and re installing software is therefore becoming increasingly difficult.
Instillation disk are rarely supplied in recent years.
It was common practice in early personal computer days to get a full set of Operating system disks with a computer. For some strange reason, many professionals seem to cling on to the belief that this is the case. Possibly in a professional environment there are always somewhere both the disks and expertise to use them, so it is just assumed that nothing has changed.
In actual fact , instillation discs are rarely supplied anymore with new computers, and even if you obtain them, they likely won't work… manufacturers increasingly try to actively hamper the possibility of re installing the operating system.
I don't think it is possible to give clear instructions anymore on how to install an Operating system.
I will present a full example, explaining in detail, and make an attempt to make it as general a solution as possible.
DVD / CD Brennen / Burn / ISO Burn
Most of us will recognise something which might be called a CD DVD or disk, and things like disc drives and process done with them. These things and processes have been widely in use for over 25 years. We refer to them frequently. But for some strange reason hardly anyone really knows or understands them fully. There seem to be a few strange mysteries and secrets. Possibly this is so that things like instillation disks are not too wildly made and distributed.
In simple common uses, sometimes simple copying and using of files from one medium to a CD or DVD disc will work, sometimes it won't. Often this is overlooked. It often is not noticed as different systems may actually do different things when the same software or command is done.
The best I can make out, in the absence of finding anyone in the world who knows for sure, ( it may be impossible for most people to know for sure as commercial secrets are involved:
CD or DVD
This is basically the same physical thing. CD came first and there is generally less flexibility in compatibility in using other things or different manufacturers versions of CD. The DVD came later, making use of improved technology, and at the same time some attempt was made to make certain aspects standard to improve the flexibility and compatibility with other things and different manufacturers DVDs.
So in simple terms, the DVD is likely to be better than a CD or may be needed to make something work which could not on a CD , for example, as DVD will have a large storage capacity , as newer storage media almost always do improve that aspect…
Other technical reason why a DVD must be used instead of a CD may be hidden in the secrets of the processes which may be used for a particular usage.
Burn and Save Variations
I expect what process actually happens is hidden in industrial secrets. What is physically done may vary from one system to another and/or from what software is used, even if at first glance the same process and software appears to be done and used. So I can only make an approximate answer.
Either as a complete simple process, or as an early part of a more full process, some light image producing process , that is to say a process physically not strongly changing physically the disc may give something that some reading devices can read. A more complete full process will possibly use such an image as a sort of template/ schablon / set of instructions to create deeper cutting / etching into the disc. The more full processes can be thought in simple terms as like cutting the final grooves in an old gramophone vinyl record , ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonograph_record ). The more full process will generally be called "Burning"
But there is not always a clear distinction between the simple processes and the full "Burning" processes. Consequently you can never be sure what you have , and how it may or may not be either readable or re writable in different systems. You can even experience different results when using the same software on two different hardware systems which have very similar specifications.
ISO Burn
The commonly referred to process of "ISO Burn" ads another dimension to the confusion and imprecise definitions and explanations of what is going on.
You need to consider what ISO Burn is about in trying to understand , create, and use instillation disks
When something is saved, stored, etc. what actually goes on and the final result may be varied and , at least to some extent, is subject to commercial secrets. Amongst other things, some efficient way of organising "where" things go may be employed. This will vary greatly from one system to another.
For some reason, which once again may have some commercial secrets associated with it, in order to do an instillation, the information need to be organised on the storage media in a specific way.
In my example I will be considering CD/DVD discs. An instillation disc will typically need to be , what could approximately be regarded as a full final disk with the information held in specific "places" on the disk.
The start point in making an instillation disk would be to get a "normal" file which contains all the information required. Such a file has a predetermined form, but can be approximately regarded as a normal file, which "obeys" the normal rules and conventions when being passed around or copied. It can be regarded as a normal data file, or possibly more correctly a number of Files bundled together
ISO File and what to do with it
The file type used for this has conventionally the extension .iso . It seems to be a closely kept secret, or else everyone has forgotten, exactly how that came about and what exactly it means. Very similar to the word ActiveX, frequently used but rarely really clearly defined. It may be tied up with a convention or sets of conventions that started to be kept secret as time went on. It could be that a so called iso disk is a more fundamental all encompassing file which includes some basic instructions determining exactly how and where things are stored, where's part of the similar information on such a fundamental file may already be included (hidden) in a system to determine how that system stores files and data.
So ISO would be some internationally agreed standard. But only in a so called "iso file" would you nave some fundamental information conforming to the convention, but which in most systems you would not have access to.
So to get an iso file is like getting hold of the software to refresh or re install or repair some software in any product to which a large amount of software is present. A typical user can never be sure exactly what is in there. Recently Microsoft have been making available iso files. It is a good guess that they have put something in there they are keen to find its way into someone's computer…
Once you have a file, you need to find some way to use that to make an instillation disc. Un surprisingly, Microsoft have also recently been presenting information to assist in doing this…
Alternatively some software is available. This one has been recommended by Hans, so is very likely a good option:
http://www.eileenslounge.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=25735#p200058
http://download.imgburn.com/SetupImgBurn_2.5.8.0.exe
http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
https://app.box.com/s/gywkah44z366e7gktqzaulj3nq27ac01
Vista ISO File
One good source of an ISO file is sometimes computer magazines.
( Media Fire https://www.drwindows.de/windows-vista-allgemein/8505-hilfe-brauche-vista-dvd-415.html#post1671100
All PC World http://allpcworld.com/windows-vista-iso-free-download-32-bit-64-bit/ )
They are large files and will typically take some time to download.
Vista ISO download.JPG , Vista x86 32bit download.JPG : https://imgur.com/hTRNOEM , https://imgur.com/PIWk5Wu
I downloaded earlier, and re uploaded to a file sharing site:
Windows_Vista_32bit All PC World.iso : https://www.magentacloud.de/lnk/YvMXoyEx
WindowsVista_x86 Media Fire.iso : https://www.magentacloud.de/lnk/IpMXouPy
The files can be saved anywhere.
Working Example of making an installation disc in next post
Ref:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-major-difference-between-a-CD-and-a-DVD
https://ask.metafilter.com/168458/Copy-Windows-Install-Discs-for-Backup
http://www.eileenslounge.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=25735
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnxwq2aGJRbjOo_MO54oaHA)