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Microsoft windows movie makers
History Introduction

Depending on the time and interest you have for getting clued up on Microsoft windows movie maker, you may want to read more or less of the information here. The index / contents list may help you decide if you want to read all, or skip to some part.
Regardless, it is important to know that there are a few versions and forms and a historical story and the usual Microsoft product confusion caused by their characteristic of changing things a lot. It is advisable therefore to make some attempt to read the first few history posts, and if you think you already have Microsoft windows movie maker is to check what version you have.
Be careful not to take a lot of notice of, or put too much significance to, uses of terms like, new, old, Live, Classic, since the confusing history means that a lot of people lost the orientation and don’t know what they are talking about regarding different versions.
What version have you got?
Get movie maker running somehow, and
_ if you have an "older" version, then at the top header tabs you may see something like Help or a question mark ?
https://i.postimg.cc/cLBn21bT/Help.jpg , https://i.postimg.cc/TPTpSQCB/GB-Mov...stion-Mark.jpg

If you click on that to get a drop down list then you should see towards the bottom something of the form About Windows Movie Maker or Info
https://i.postimg.cc/tCPPdNdK/About-...ovie-Maker.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cLRvXPMQ/GB-Movie-Maker-Info.jpg

_ In "newer" versions, (mostly characterised by a ribbon at the top), this sort of information is often hidden down the drop down list coming from the top right header tab
https://i.postimg.cc/pV3zn6jQ/About-Movie-Maker.jpg


Once you have found the About Windows Movie Maker. option, then click on it and make a note of the version you have
https://i.postimg.cc/Qd37fK0H/Version-Number.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/43wmTt0y/GB-Mov...rsion-Info.jpg

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More advanced version Comparisons:
For more detailed version checks and comparisons, see here

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If you are pushed for time, I would never the less recommend reading the next post. That will take you as far as the older, classic stable versions up to around 2007. ( most typically versions starting with numbers of 2.1 , 6, 2.6 – and note that strange sequence order that I listed is deliberate… Once you get clued up on the confusing history, then you will know why. . )
Based on my experiences and researches so far I would avoid the "newer" stuff, coming from around 2009 + (things that may be wrapped in things going by names including words like "Live" or "Essentials", ( mostly version starting with numbers or 2009 2011 2012 ). If you are looking at these "newer" versions then I would strongly advise reading a lot further, after which you may decide to think again, or at least will be armed with enough knowlwwegde to avoid wasting time with a lot of pit falls and problems that catch you out.

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Index / Contents

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Movie maker History

Summarised History, (Not Complete) Initial versions History, 1 - 6

There is a bit of overlap, and as often with Microsoft Version Histories, there is confusion and disagreement. The following is the best average I have so far. The (date stamps) are my best average so far and are intended as an approximate time line. Changing when things occurred is something Microsoft cannot change, even if they try with documentation manipulation, so referring to a version by the year it came about and/ or was in common use, is probably the best way to try and not lose your orientation. (Treat any dates or version numbers you see on any third party available downloads of the original windows movie maker with some scepticism: For both legitimate reasons, ( the offered software may have received legitimate updates on the computer it was taken from), and because of some nasty scams with some offered downloads.)
Towards the end and further I attempt to relate the history to the Operating System History. This is handy to know even way into any later Windows Movie Maker usage, since, as with many things Microsoft, a reconditioned older computer often has a better chance to work with some useful stable software from the past. Microsoft seem to be on a crusade to mess you up.
There is some overlap in my Tutorial posts. This reflects both the overlaps and confusion generally in Windows Movie Maker history, as well as making some attempt to make the individual post of some use on their own so that as a compromise you can take a post relevant to your version if you don’t have the time to read through everything


(2000) - Version 1.0 https://i.postimg.cc/8csCfWf2/Movie-Maker-Version-1.jpg
The first release of Windows Movie Maker was included with Windows Me on September 14, 2000 (ME build 2416 https://betawiki.net/wiki/Windows_Me_build_2416 ) . Windows 2000 did not have it, but it could be copied** successfully to it. (** see xxxxxxx )
(2001) - Version 1.1 https://i.postimg.cc/NMdM0bF8/Movie-...ersion-1-1.jpg
Version 1.1 was included in Windows XP a year later, 25 October 2001 as part of Windows XP, and included support for creating DV AVI and WMV 8 files.
(2002) - Version 2.0 ( Sometimes regarded as XP version ) https://i.postimg.cc/2886gsHH/Movie-Maker-version-2.jpg

Version 2.0 was released as a free update to 1.1, in November 2002, and added a number of new features. It went some way to answering critic on the first version, and often the Classic/Start of Movie Maker around close to XP start time is regarded as the 2.1 era. –
(2004) - Version 2.1 ( Windows XP Service Pack 2 ) https://i.postimg.cc/L4V5C9VY/Movie-...ersion-2-1.jpg
Version 2.1, a minor update, is included in, so coming from installing, Windows XP Service Pack 2. From about the Service Pack 2 is generally what is regarded as the start of "modern" windows computing, but as I have tried to get across, it's all a bit cloudy
(2001-2006 overlap) ( Windows Vista development time from before XP in 2001 to final release of Vista in 2006 )
The overlap and confusion may have resulted from the design teams being drunk in between times: Microsoft originally expected to ship Vista sometime late in 2003 as a minor step between Windows XP (codenamed "Whistler") and the next planned major release of Windows, code-named "Blackcomb". Vista's original codename, "Longhorn", was an allusion to this plan, a sort of inbetween idea: While Whistler and Blackcomb are large ski resorts in British Columbia, Longhorn is the name of a bar between the two mountains that Whistler's visitors pass to reach Blackcomb.
2004
A Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) version of Windows Movie Maker was also included in some development builds of Vista (at the time codenamed "Longhorn"), but was removed in the development reset in August 2004. ( After the development reset, the interface for the WPF-based Windows Movie Maker was retained in Windows Vista later)
(2005) - Version 2.5 https://i.postimg.cc/NjK0j1vm/Version-2-5.jpg , https://i.postimg.cc/3JSRhtV3/Versio...ransitions.jpg

The Movie Maker in Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 had more transitions and support for DVD burning.
(2006) - Version 6.0 ( 2.7 )
The next main version is Windows Movie Maker 6.0 which had both a 64-bit version and GPU rendering of effects and transitions. It was released as part of Windows Vista, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqzeFYWjTxI&t=17s (Vista started in 2006), and – like most Windows components – reported version number 6.0.6000, same as Windows Vista itself.
https://i.postimg.cc/23RzWFyz/GB-Movie-Maker-6.jpg


So that was an introduction, going up to around the Vista time. Up to this time Movie Maker was generally a version bundled into an operating system, (although as mentioned, it could often be easily added to operating system’s not having a particular version)
(Around 2007, Microsoft went backwards a bit, giving version 2.6, a refurbished 2.1 – 2.5 version)
From windows 7, it was mostly something to download.

We have approximately got to the point at this stage , typical in Microsoft, an intermediate period stage, where things got newer and in many user’s opinions, worse.
But, as mentioned, in the case of Movie Maker, things are a bit blurred. Not criticising necessarily, just saying. If you keep your wits about you , then you can pick out good stuff from around this period

Attempt to order into Windows Versions
The following 3 posts order Movie Maker approximately into the three main Windows versions which officially supported Movie Maker. ( These posts also are reused to act as an introduction to more pages and notes on specific versions instillations, and some notes on experiments and problems with downloads etc. )

XP era https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...er-)#post23588 ( Page #2 https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...-Maker-)/page2 )

Vista era https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...er-)#post23589 ( Page #3 https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...-Maker-)/page3 )

Windows 7 + era https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...er-)#post23590
( 2009 https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...-Maker-)/page4
https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...age4#post23811
2011 https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...-Maker-)/page5
https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...age5#post23823
2012 https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...-Maker-)/page6
https://www.excelfox.com/forum/showt...age6#post23835 )

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XP era versions

(2001) - Version 1.1 https://i.postimg.cc/NMdM0bF8/Movie-...ersion-1-1.jpg
Version 1.1 was included in Windows XP, 25 October 2001 as part of Windows XP, and included support for creating DV AVI and WMV 8 files.

(2002) - Version 2.0 ( Sometimes regarded as XP version ) https://i.postimg.cc/2886gsHH/Movie-Maker-version-2.jpg

Version 2.0 was released as a free update to 1.1, in November 2002, and added a number of new features. It went some way to answering critic on the first version, and often the Classic/Start of Movie Maker around close to XP start time is regarded as the version 2 – version 2.1 era. –

(2004) - Version 2.1 ( Windows XP Service Pack 2 ) https://i.postimg.cc/L4V5C9VY/Movie-...ersion-2-1.jpg
Version 2.1, a minor update, is included in, so coming from installing, Windows XP Service Pack 2

(2001-2006 overlap) ( Windows Vista development time from before XP in 2001 to final release of Vista in 2006 )
The overlap and confusion may have resulted from the design teams being drunk in between times: Microsoft originally expected to ship Vista sometime late in 2003 as a minor step between Windows XP (codenamed "Whistler") and the next planned major release of Windows, code-named "Blackcomb". Vista's original codename, "Longhorn", was an allusion to this plan, a sort of inbetween idea: While Whistler and Blackcomb are large ski resorts in British Columbia, Longhorn is the name of a bar between the two mountains that Whistler's visitors pass to reach Blackcomb.

2004
A Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) version of Windows Movie Maker was also included in some development builds of Vista (at the time codenamed "Longhorn"), but was removed in the development reset in August 2004. After the development reset, (the interface for the WPF-based Windows Movie Maker was retained in Windows Vista later)

(2005) - Version 2.5 https://i.postimg.cc/NjK0j1vm/Version-2-5.jpg , https://i.postimg.cc/3JSRhtV3/Versio...ransitions.jpg

The Movie Maker in Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 had more transitions and support for DVD burning.

( (2006) - Version 6.0 ( 2.7 )
The next main version is Windows Movie Maker 6.0 which had both a 64-bit version and GPU rendering of effects and transitions. It was released as part of Windows Vista, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqzeFYWjTxI&t=17s (Vista started in 2006), and – like most Windows components – reported version number 6.0.6000, same as Windows Vista itself. https://i.postimg.cc/23RzWFyz/GB-Movie-Maker-6.jpg

It included new effects and transitions, support for playback on the Xbox 360,and support for the DVR-MS file format that Windows Media Center records television in. The HD version in Premium and Ultimate editions of Windows Vista also added support for capturing from HDV camcorders. The capture wizard also created DVR-MS type files from HDV tapes. However, the Windows Vista version of Windows Movie Maker removed support for importing video from an analog video source such as an analog camcorder, VCR or from a webcam. There is no "2.7 XP version". People may incorrectly be referring to the Windows Vista version of Windows Movie Maker 2.6 that is basically a CPU-only version using the XP code for those on Vista that didn't have a powerful enough GPU. As some older systems might not be able to run the new version of Windows Movie Maker. Vista at the end of the final pre-release development stages may also have been code-named 2.7 )

(2007) - Version 2.6 https://i.postimg.cc/HLxZ8ksq/Version-2-6.jpg

So, Microsoft also released an updated older version 2.6 for Windows Vista on Microsoft Download Centre, possibly around 2007-2009. This version is basically the same as Windows Movie Maker 2.1 and included all of the old effects and transitions, but it excludes the ability to capture video. It can only be installed on Windows Vista and is only intended for use on computers where the hardware-accelerated version cannot run. 2.6 is very similar to 2.5, as it was, or at least is often referred to as, a refurbished XP version 2.5

(2008) - Version 2009
Around 2008-2009, when windows 7 started, it seems that some further development was done on windows movie maker. The word Live started to crop up…
(2008) - Version 2009
Windows Live Movie Maker. Windows Live Essentials
As for the "Windows Live" version, A new version of the software, renamed Windows Live Movie Maker 2009, was released as a beta on September 17, 2008, and officially released as a standalone product through Windows Live Essentials suite on August 19, 2009. Windows Live Movie Maker 2009 is officially the last version to support Windows XP, ( Windows Live Photo Gallery version 14.0.8117.416 )

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Vista era versions

( (2006) - Version 6.0 ( 2.7 )
The first next main version is Windows Movie Maker 6.0 which had both a 64-bit version and GPU rendering of effects and transitions. It was released as part of Windows Vista, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqzeFYWjTxI&t=17s (Vista started in 2006), and – like most Windows components – reported version number 6.0.6000, same as Windows Vista itself. https://i.postimg.cc/23RzWFyz/GB-Movie-Maker-6.jpg

It included new effects and transitions, support for playback on the Xbox 360,and support for the DVR-MS file format that Windows Media Center records television in. The HD version in Premium and Ultimate editions of Windows Vista also added support for capturing from HDV camcorders. The capture wizard also created DVR-MS type files from HDV tapes. However, the Windows Vista version of Windows Movie Maker removed support for importing video from an analog video source such as an analog camcorder, VCR or from a webcam. There is no "2.7 XP version". People may incorrectly be referring to the Windows Vista version of Windows Movie Maker 2.6 that is basically a CPU-only version using the XP code for those on Vista that didn't have a powerful enough GPU. As some older systems might not be able to run the new version of Windows Movie Maker. Vista at the end of the final pre-release development stages may also have been code-named 2.7 )

(2007) - Version 2.6 https://i.postimg.cc/HLxZ8ksq/Version-2-6.jpg

So, Microsoft also released an updated older version 2.6 for Windows Vista on Microsoft Download Centre, possibly around 2006 - 2007. This version is basically the same as Windows Movie Maker 2.1 and included all of the old effects and transitions, but it excludes the ability to capture video. It can only be installed on Windows Vista and is only intended for use on computers where the hardware-accelerated version cannot run. 2.6 is very similar to 2.5, as it was, or at least is often referred to as, a refurbished XP version 2.5

(2008) - Version 2009
Around 2008-2009, when windows 7 started, it seems that some further development was done on windows movie maker. The word Live started to crop up…
(2008) - Version 2009
Windows Live Movie Maker. Windows Live Essentials
This was supplied as a download, from which you could, amongst other things, install "Windows Live" version of movie maker https://i.postimg.cc/hjBqj42L/Window...-installer.jpg
As for the "Windows Live" version of movie maker , A new version of the software, renamed Windows Live Movie Maker 2009, was released as a beta on September 17, 2008, and officially released as a standalone product through Windows Live Essentials suite on August 19, 2009. ( Windows Live Movie Maker 2009 is officially the last version to support Windows XP , ( Windows Live Photo Gallery version 14.0.8117.416 ) )
This version shows interface changes including ribbon similar to that starting in Microsoft Office in 2007.
This version added functions like "Auto Movie" which can convert a Video directly to YouTube or DVDs
https://i.postimg.cc/7hq9bjvt/Window...Maker-2009.jpg

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Windows 7 + era versions

Around 2008-2009, when windows 7 started, it seems that some further development was done on windows movie maker. The word Live started to crop up… From windows 7, Movie maker was officially mostly bundled inside something to be downloaded, although it is not clear if there may have been a standalone initial version, perhaps in an overlap period
(2008) - Version 2009
Windows Live Movie Maker. Windows Live Essentials
As for the "Windows Live" version, A new version of the software, renamed Windows Live Movie Maker 2009, was released as a beta on September 17, 2008, and officially released as a standalone product through Windows Live Essentials suite on August 19, 2009. Windows Live Movie Maker 2009 is last version to support Windows XP, ( Windows Live Photo Gallery version 14.0.8117.416 )
Live Movie Maker 2009 supported both Windows Vista and Windows 7. About this time, 2009, Windows Movie Maker was no longer included with the operating system, which most likely means Vista will usually have Movie Maker, and a small chance it might also have Windows Live. I appear to have both on a Vista machine from new, ( it is showing as Windows Live Essentials 2011 https://i.postimg.cc/x8vVRv9Z/Window...nstllation.jpg )
https://i.postimg.cc/7hq9bjvt/Window...Maker-2009.jpg


(2010) - Version 2011
The only way to obtain Live Movie Maker on Windows 7 from this time and later was through the Windows Live Essentials suite, although some manufacturers pre-installed the application on new PCs.
An updated version , Windows Live Movie Maker 2011, was released on August 17, 2010, adding features such as webcam capture, support for high-definition video, the ability to upload videos directly to SkyDrive, Facebook, and YouTube through their respective web APIs, and the ability to add media files stored on network shares to projects .
Windows Essentials 2011, Released on 30 September 2010, "Windows Live Essentials 2011" runs on Windows Vista or later. Accordingly, it runs successfully on Windows 10 (just the same as any other 32-bit program
(So Windows Movie Maker was known as Windows Live Movie Maker for the 2009 and 2011 releases)
https://postimg.cc/sMSHvPb4


(2012) - Version 2012 2012.1
Windows Essentials 2012 ( discontinuation of the Windows Live brand (and the re-branding of the Windows Live suite as Windows Essentials )
With the discontinuation of the Windows Live brand (and the re-branding of the Windows Live suite as Windows Essentials , Windows Movie Maker 2012 was released in April 2012. Support for recording voice-overs was restored, along with an audio mixer and integration with several free stock music services. H.264/MP4 became the default export format (replacing Windows Media Video, but still can be used), support for uploading to Vimeo was introduced (other sites were added to the list in the Windows 8.1 release of the suite), and hardware accelerated video pila stabilisation was also added as an exclusive feature for Windows 8 users.
So the last version was Movie Maker 2012 (they dropped the "Live" branding, so it makes for confusion with the much earlier original Movie Maker ).
Windows Essentials 2012 was last updated in April 2014, support ended in 2017, it was removed for download on January 10, 2017.
https://i.postimg.cc/0y1MM0Dg/Window...Maker-2012.jpg



My best guess, just my opinion, is that Movie Maker was stopped as it was not reaching out to people and using them in the way that Microsoft had hoped. Movie maker is still regarded by many people as very good, but not at the top end of what is currently available.








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